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	<title>Comments on: Are You a Limahong Descendant?</title>
	<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/</link>
	<description>another blog from the boondocks</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: seeker</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-9797</link>
		<dc:creator>seeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-9797</guid>
		<description>Tracing and knowing your roots is really interesting and adds up to "enlightenment". Can somebody also share an account on who are the original natives of the cordilleras before Limahong or even the colonizers came. Sounds tough but any idea would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracing and knowing your roots is really interesting and adds up to &#8220;enlightenment&#8221;. Can somebody also share an account on who are the original natives of the cordilleras before Limahong or even the colonizers came. Sounds tough but any idea would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: ronald</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-9138</link>
		<dc:creator>ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-9138</guid>
		<description>Maybe, i like to believe so, if only for the sake of a good story to tell drunken buddies.

limahong and the spaniards didnt mix at all so spanish accounts of the demise of limahong should be taken with a grain of salt. Just like William Henry Scotts book detailing the spanish bias against igorots for our ancestors refusal to bow down and hand over their gold mines. Their are still stories by old folks of chinese-japanese looking men (warrior?) intermarrying with natives along the agno river during the spanish era. Also the dearth of chinese antique kitchen wares spread along the agno river communities are among several interesting suggestions of chinese-limahong influences which cannot be easily dismissed. Also that burial mound (chinese?) in Kabayan isnt exactly "kabayan burial style". I was also told their was once a guy who was an expert in swords.
I myself have been ACCUSED (Scolded actually) of being chinese by chinese-pinoys, mistaken as a korean by koreans (to my constant embarassment!)and once politely asked if japanese by a japanese. hehehe. although i couldnt trace any foreign ancestors despite my tribes strong oral history.  So that "limahong decendants" legend cannot be easily written off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, i like to believe so, if only for the sake of a good story to tell drunken buddies.</p>
<p>limahong and the spaniards didnt mix at all so spanish accounts of the demise of limahong should be taken with a grain of salt. Just like William Henry Scotts book detailing the spanish bias against igorots for our ancestors refusal to bow down and hand over their gold mines. Their are still stories by old folks of chinese-japanese looking men (warrior?) intermarrying with natives along the agno river during the spanish era. Also the dearth of chinese antique kitchen wares spread along the agno river communities are among several interesting suggestions of chinese-limahong influences which cannot be easily dismissed. Also that burial mound (chinese?) in Kabayan isnt exactly &#8220;kabayan burial style&#8221;. I was also told their was once a guy who was an expert in swords.<br />
I myself have been ACCUSED (Scolded actually) of being chinese by chinese-pinoys, mistaken as a korean by koreans (to my constant embarassment!)and once politely asked if japanese by a japanese. hehehe. although i couldnt trace any foreign ancestors despite my tribes strong oral history.  So that &#8220;limahong decendants&#8221; legend cannot be easily written off.</p>
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		<title>By: James Garcia</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>James Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-727</guid>
		<description>If you just study the  facial features and linguistics of northerners and the southern part of the Philippines (Central Luzon down to Mindanao) , and Indonesians , the conclusion would be : that southerners came from the Indonesian archipelago. 

Northern tribes or inhabitants are more likeky to have come from Taiwan by way of southern China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you just study the  facial features and linguistics of northerners and the southern part of the Philippines (Central Luzon down to Mindanao) , and Indonesians , the conclusion would be : that southerners came from the Indonesian archipelago. </p>
<p>Northern tribes or inhabitants are more likeky to have come from Taiwan by way of southern China.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-343</guid>
		<description>I was reading the link provided by commenter pecson and this quote towards the end of the link caught my eye:

&lt;i&gt;The brief Chinese stay of about seven months in Pangasinan was a blessing in disguise to the province for there was embedded in the lives of the natives some good Chinese characters such as thrift, industry, tenacity, and farsightedness..... 

Many of the most thrifty and most intelligent citizens of Lingayen and other towns in this part of the province and along the Agno River are of Chinese ancestry.&lt;/i&gt;

It sounds a bit racist.  Is the writer of this "historical account" suggesting that the natives of Pangasinan never possessed these traits until Limahong came along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading the link provided by commenter pecson and this quote towards the end of the link caught my eye:</p>
<p><i>The brief Chinese stay of about seven months in Pangasinan was a blessing in disguise to the province for there was embedded in the lives of the natives some good Chinese characters such as thrift, industry, tenacity, and farsightedness&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Many of the most thrifty and most intelligent citizens of Lingayen and other towns in this part of the province and along the Agno River are of Chinese ancestry.</i></p>
<p>It sounds a bit racist.  Is the writer of this &#8220;historical account&#8221; suggesting that the natives of Pangasinan never possessed these traits until Limahong came along?</p>
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		<title>By: pecson</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>pecson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-341</guid>
		<description>hi! most of the descendants are from pangasinan.

http://mozcom.com/~urduja/travel/limahong.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi! most of the descendants are from pangasinan.</p>
<p><a href="http://mozcom.com/~urduja/travel/limahong.htm" rel="nofollow">http://mozcom.com/~urduja/travel/limahong.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: bill bilig</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>bill bilig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-132</guid>
		<description>Hi Arcibald,
Yup that's true. I wonder if there have been patented genes like that which escaped the world's notice because no one reported it. This gene patenting is bad. It is as if nothing is sacred anymore to those who want to make money. And to think that all they do is identify a gene. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Arcibald,<br />
Yup that&#8217;s true. I wonder if there have been patented genes like that which escaped the world&#8217;s notice because no one reported it. This gene patenting is bad. It is as if nothing is sacred anymore to those who want to make money. And to think that all they do is identify a gene. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: arcibald</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>arcibald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-129</guid>
		<description>the genome project reminds me of one controversial issue about obtaining genes especially from IPs. i was told that an old woman from an IP group in south america, i think, has genes that are useful for HIV or cancer, i don't really remember. and a company who discovered it had tried to own the gene of the old woman by applying for a patent for the gene. fortunately this was brought to the attention of the world and i think the company recalled its application for the gene.
imagine a situation where a company would already own different genes that make up life. looks bleak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the genome project reminds me of one controversial issue about obtaining genes especially from IPs. i was told that an old woman from an IP group in south america, i think, has genes that are useful for HIV or cancer, i don&#8217;t really remember. and a company who discovered it had tried to own the gene of the old woman by applying for a patent for the gene. fortunately this was brought to the attention of the world and i think the company recalled its application for the gene.<br />
imagine a situation where a company would already own different genes that make up life. looks bleak.</p>
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		<title>By: bill bilig</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>bill bilig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-85</guid>
		<description>Hi Arcibald,
Thanks. I think you're right about Filipinos actually coming from the Asian mainland. At least that's the more accepted theory now rather than the theory than we came from Indonesia/Malaysia as we learned in school. Thanks again.

Hi Wil,
I heard of that too. It's kind of controversial though especially among IP groups and there's been a complicated debate about it since the 90s. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Arcibald,<br />
Thanks. I think you&#8217;re right about Filipinos actually coming from the Asian mainland. At least that&#8217;s the more accepted theory now rather than the theory than we came from Indonesia/Malaysia as we learned in school. Thanks again.</p>
<p>Hi Wil,<br />
I heard of that too. It&#8217;s kind of controversial though especially among IP groups and there&#8217;s been a complicated debate about it since the 90s. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-79</guid>
		<description>I suppose one can check the genome project, where they try to trace one's ancestry through one's genes.  i saw it on PBS a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose one can check the genome project, where they try to trace one&#8217;s ancestry through one&#8217;s genes.  i saw it on PBS a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: arcibald</title>
		<link>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>arcibald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kaigorotan.com/2008/01/10/are-you-a-limahong-descendant/#comment-71</guid>
		<description>this account is really interesting. i've heard of similar stories also saying that people from the cordilleras may have descended from chinese origins. i've also heard that they may be of vietnamese. we can never really be that certain but from what i've read, original settlers in the philippines did originate from the mainland years ago so it can account for apparent similarities but separated by many centuries of isolation and environmental nuances in the philippines that may not be found in the mainland.
i've also wondered about similarities between some features from people from the cordilleras and people who live in the himalayas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this account is really interesting. i&#8217;ve heard of similar stories also saying that people from the cordilleras may have descended from chinese origins. i&#8217;ve also heard that they may be of vietnamese. we can never really be that certain but from what i&#8217;ve read, original settlers in the philippines did originate from the mainland years ago so it can account for apparent similarities but separated by many centuries of isolation and environmental nuances in the philippines that may not be found in the mainland.<br />
i&#8217;ve also wondered about similarities between some features from people from the cordilleras and people who live in the himalayas.</p>
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